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from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday evening. this morning a huge american flag was at the pentagon to in lower manhattan,n, we observ a moment of silence at 8:46 a.m. eastern time, marking the moment when the first plane flight 11 fl flew into the north tower of the world trade center. immediately afterwards, as they do every year, relatives began reading the names of the victims of the attacks at the world trade center. edward l. allegretto
>> all told, there are six moments of silence this morning, including one for the crash of flight 93 in shanksville, pennsylvania. president obama is making remarks at the pentagon and he's already observed another moment of silence at the white house. we have a lot to get to including the latest on the presidential campaign. slew of new polls and interviews with jay johnson and one of the bush administrations supporters of the war in iraq that was prompted by the 9/11 attacks. but brokaw who was on the air when he realized america was under attack and here we are 15 years later, presidential campaign in the backdrop. donald trump and hillary clinton are both there this morning. what a difference 15 years makes. >> well, it was 15 years ago it became one of the worst days in american history.
the wrong place. there were no weapons of mass destruction. it's been costly. 4500 americans have died in the war and a cost within the drills of dollars. the early projections will recapture all the expenses from the oil fields. we know that what we have now is a very destabilized middle east. isis grew out of that and the consequences play out every day, not only that, chuck, it was the beginning of a lot of disarray in america, including the >> 9/11 before 9/11 there was personal harbor day december 7th and i was i thinking where was america 15 years after pearl harbor? there was a sense of we won. here we are 15 years later on 9/11 and it's on going. >> i think that all the confusion and that distant place for the reasons that are hard for the americans to understand that culture and the political tensions that exist there have made this presidential election what it is.
>> tom, this will be the last presidential election where everybody who votes was alive during 9/11. so we're now going to have to teach people what 9/11 was all about. how does that conversation go? >> i think part of the problem we're going through right now is there is a great dea confusion how this one has turned out and we are not only dealing with the middle east but obviously putin is a much bigger player since that time and as we saw in the last four or five days, he's entered this race and what is going on in the ukraine and crimea, all that fuels, i think, the sense of things are not what they are supposed to be. now what we were told they were going to be. so i don't remember in my 50 years of covering presidential politics, such an unsettled
9/11, as well as the current presidential campaign throughout this hour. earlier today i spoke with homeland security secretary joe johnson standing a few blocks north of the new world trade center. let me start with a new grim poll number. the majority of americans say we're less safe today than 9/11. why do americans feel this way you think? >> that's a good question, chuck. americans have seen in orlando. they have seen the attack in san bernardino and see what is happening overseas and western europe and france and belgium and elsewhere and they are rightly concerned about our current security environment. we're safer now when it comes to another 9/11 style attack but we're challenged when it comes to the prospect of the home grown violent extremists and that requires a new whole of
participation and vehicigilance >> i never categorized as anything of low priority but we have to look at what is high risk and spend our time accordingly. so what does that mean? is there just some holes that will always be there in our security system? >> no, i wouldn't put it that way at all. we've got people devoted to all manner of threats out there. invariably the high probability type of threat, another san bernardino, another orlando is uppermost on our minds. it is the thing that keeps me up at night the most, but we've got threats from cybersecurity. we've got a mission devoted to
we've got to keep our eye on all of it but obviously, there are things that are higher probability but higher impact and we've got to keep our eye an o all of it. >> are you concerned that syria today is as unstable and as much of a safe haven for terrorists as afghanistan was in the late '90s and should that concern us considering what afghanistan brought or what happened inside of afghanistan tat should we be concerned what is happening in syria could lead to a new 9/11? >> chuck, i said in february 2014 that syria had become a matter of homeland security. our u.s. military along with the international partners have done a good job o taking back military, taking out the leaders of isil, taking out those focused on external attacks but yes, we have to be concerned
afghanistan. any time a terrorist organization can establish territory, take territory, have a place to head quarter, to train, recruit, that's obviously a big concern and it's a big homeland security concern, yes, sir. >> one of the other things you've been having to talk about and deal with lately is the threat or perceived threat to the election system, russia, apparently is trying to infiltrate in someway but are they trying to create actual havoc or are they trying to create the i >> well, the investigation into the various intrusions we have seen including the dnc hack is still under investigation. i will say this, it would be very hard to alter a ballot count in a national election, to change the vote tally, just because our election system is so decentralized. there are some 9,000 jurisdictions involved. i've been sending the message to state and local officials that
their internet presence and the department of homeland security is in a position to help, if they ask. they have to ask first. >> today is your birthday and i've got a cousin who has 9/11 has a birthday, and it's -- i know it's awkward for her. how do you handle your birthday? >> well, i always take occasion to remember what happened 15 years ago. i'm here in new york this year. i was in shanksville last year. i don't celebrate my birthday on my birthday anymore, either the day before or the day after and i'm not sure i'll ever be in a position to celebrate my birthday again on 9/11, given the huge impression this day made on me. >> absolutely. jay johnson, i know it's very personal for you. i know you were in new york city on the day of the attacks and it's a very emotional day, as well. thanks for spending a few
chuck. >> you got it. turning now to the 2016 campaign, a new washington post poll out this morning has hillary clinton with a five-point lead over donald trump among likely voters, 46-41. we have some new nbc news battle ground state polls that we'll get to a little later but we begin with what perhaps is turning into a rough weekend for hillary clinton. not unusual for the trump campaign trying to find itself explaining a controversial statement made by their candidate. sometimes a the clinton campaign struggling for words to explain what she meant when she took a shot at trump voters a criticism that immediately drew sharp reaction. >> you can put half of trump's supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables. [ laughter ] >> the racist, sexist, ho homophobic. >> at a fundraiser headlined by
hopers voters will never forget. >> hillary, they are not a basket of anything. they are americans and they deserve your respect. >> the trump campaign quickly demanded an apology and tried to capitalize. trump tweeted hillary clinton was so insulting to my supporters, millions of amazing hard-working people. i think it will cost them at the polls. there is a history of presidential candidates too comfortable in a crowd. mitt romney was caught dismissing voters with this line that some republicans believe lost him the election. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president that's not -- >> in 20 08, it was barack obama at a fundraiser talking about how job losses made working class americans feel.
they get bitter and they cling to guns or religion. >> how will clinton's opponents attack her? ask hillary clinton. this is what she said about obama's remarks in 2008. >> i was taken aback by the demeaning remark senator obama made about people in small town america. senator obama's remarks are elite and out of touch. >> running mate tim kaine told "the washington post" on saturday that clinton shouldn't have to still clinton rushed to explain. last night i was gross ly grossly general. that was wrong. let's be clear, it was deplorable trump built the campaign on prejudice and paranoia and given a national platform to hateful views and voices. clinton said something similar to israeli tv but didn't use the word half.
baskets, the deplorables, the ratests and haters. >> the comments come just as clinton is trying to show voters her warmer side after a veteran's forum where she appeared on the defensive and lawyerly at times. >> i communicated about classified material on a wholly separate system s. >> and changes the subject about u putin. >> in that system he's been a leader far more than our president has been a leader. >> sitting down for an interview with larry king on state sponsored russian television where he trashed american institution. it left republicans scrambling. >> vladimir putin isn't a president, he's a dictator. >> are you still convinced that he is the best choice for national security issues?
>> want to bring in the panel, tom brokaw is with us and host of "all things consider"ed and former deputy campaign manager and clinton supporter and david brooks whose book "road to character" is out in paper back. clinton's deplorable remark sums up a deplorable election season. david brooks, what was your initial reaction? >> first, you know, it we had to race to the bottom before but this is like humane bolt speed. i was struck by another sentence about the deplorables. if you believe people are redeemable. they say they lack redeemable souls and in a lesser category of beings and that's a dark, dark world view and that's the risk. as president she can be hard-working and effective and
world view lurking in there. >> stephanie, tough to defend the remark, is it or no? do you think it's tough to defend the remark deplorables in that group of people? >> absolutely not. i think her only mistake is she said half of his supporters are deplorable. does anybody around this table not seen trump's rallies and trump's own remarks? he is attracting a certain type of voter. she gave a whole speech on describing they are called the alt-right. from research we know his own words calling mexicans rapists, criticism a gold star family, these are the most potent things about him. her only mistake is she described half of the sup popors that way.
hillary clinton was right tom brokaw in describing and he admits, he wrote a piece saying politically incorrect, perhaps. >> here is what is striking to me. that what half of his voters are in that category of being ir redeemably racist and homophobic in a small town in ohio and i'm trying to make up my mind, you got to wake up the next morning and think is she taking about me? i'm kind of inclined for trump. is that her thought about me? she stakes fundraiser so that separates her, i think, from the rest of the country in a way and you can watch her demeanor there, it was all quite jolly. everybody was laughing and applauding. i don't think that's what she needs at this point in her life because out there, there are a lot of people saying i don't quite trust hillary. give me a reason -- >> why is it donald trump gets credit for being politically incorrect telling it like it is
she's doing what trump does, she's telling it like it is. >> we can put aside for a second there is a segment of trump supporters which surveys have shown do have believes people can talk about islamic phobic and he's retweeted white nationalist and this discussion about the alt-right. it confirms what his supporters already believe, right? essentially he's this bull work against so-called p.c. that and they are upset that their concerns are routinely dismissed out of hand as being racist or retro grade and he's the person out there saying no, no, no, you're perfectly normal. something is quote unquote wrong here and she basically confirmed that democrats don't just think they are wrong but like look down on them. >> candidates should not be pundits and not sit there in new york where the fundraisers hold
generalizations not only about 50% but about people. people say repugnant things are complicated and driven by complicated fears and anxiety to sometimes do things sometimes do beautiful things. the true you hate the sin but not the sinner applies to politics. >> let me do a pause. we're going to take a break and come right back. and new battle ground polls in four states, two from the traditional battle ground and battle ground and later, the 9/11 attacks led to the war in iraq. i'll talk to a prominent member of president george w bush's administration, paul mandy chang mark lawrence charette gregorio manuel chavez gregorio manuel chavez delrose e. cheatham 98,352 what's that? gregorio manuel chavez delrose e. cheatham
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they have a bend to them. next is nevada, clinton by two points, 41-39 but look what happens when you have a likely voter sample, turns into a trump lead. keep in mind democrats won new hampshire in five of the last six elections and taken nevada in four of the last six so these should be states that favor clinton. let's look at two red states in arizona, clinton and trump are tied at 37 among registered look at the double digits for gary johnson that governed a neighboring state of arizona in new mexico and in georgia, clinton has a one-point lead among registered voters but among likely voters, it's trump who gains. he's at 44-42. it's worth remembering that democrats haven't won either arizona or georgia since bill clinton won each once. david brooks, i want to start with a column you wrote about
coming. politics is catching up to social reality. the crucial social divide is between those who feel the core trends of the global information age economy at tail ends at their back and those who feel them as head winds at the phase and i can point you to this break down in the poll among college educated voters, she's up 20. among non-college ed vucated voters, he's up 20. >> for the last 20 years, if you look how people is beha they completed college. how often do they vote? how many friends do they have? what's their marriage like. it opens up socially and this is the first election we have seen them reflected in the political polling and so my question and this is really a serious worry, suppose one mar party is less a head winds and that would be the republican party and another party is the party of the tail winds, and that would be the democratic party.
over laps with the close alignment and that to me is extremely problematic for what it is. >> isn't that what we see now? >> this is a profound shift because it's representing the college education. we've grown up with republicans at the high end of the income scale and the leaders in american life. this has been turned upside down. i think the big, big issue in this country and this election, cutting away everything else is what david talked about, how do we pull the country back different directions and there is not been either candidate whose been able to give a city shining on a hill speech like ronald reagan or i have a dream like dr. ken because they are so determined to separate the country and that is, i think, a terrible prescription for the future. >> it's going to be like that as long as there is identity based partisanship. i mean, i think we've always talked about the different groups that aligned with the
idea you see only the news about the stuff you care about delivered to your phone every day, i think the silos of where we live and the silos of the information we're taking in is actually exacerbating the problem. >> there are so many different reasons that we've ended up at this place. some that we can control, some we can't control but i think in addition to the political realignment that's happening, i think that the most pressing issue is whoever wins the white house in november, there is going to a americans who are going to feel unpr unrepresented and not heard. >> and angry about it. >> and angry about it. >> look at the reaction -- >> very high unfavorables. so the mandate to govern will be very, very difficult and that's something that hopefully, democrats and republicans will look at each other and say this is it, we got to do something. >> we could have a winner at 32%. everybody is at 42, 43, 48. that's like minority leader
about it. mayor rob emanuel of chicago has an idea. every kid that graduates spends some sort of three months in a national service so kids are with kids and just three months would make a difference. >> i thought national service would be a given. we've been talking about national service my whole adult life and i can't believe we're not there. >> i'm involved with anned a ac of public service. 250 this year. and by the y, bernie sanders, we'll give free college education to families with $125,000 a year, she ought to say and if you get that, you've got to get with your public service when you graduate or two years. it ought to come with a price tag for them otherwise it looks like a government give away. chuck, i think we cannot over state the importance and the effect of social media in this
here and the kind of victory on both sides that's out there and people have a hard time deciding what's real and what's not. >> i want to bring it back to deplorabl deplorables. against any other candidate against any other year, this is a really fatal mistake for her but have we been conditioned to this harsh rhetoric? >> i don't think people have been conditioned to rhetoric. if they were, then you wouldn't have a whole segment of the republican party that aren't for i mean, what she really was speaking to were those people, republican voters who haven't made up their mind because they are very uncomfortable with trump because of the racist words coming out of his mouth and some of his supporters. >> this is a risk if you make it a referendum on trump, you have to walk the line between saying a vote for trump is a bad decision and a vote for trump means you're a bad person. and i think this crossed that line and it's hard to unring that bell.
bad weeks, he benefits. he's gotten closer not because he's suddenly great. >> i have to say there was part of this when she did it and i thought marco rubio did this and ted c cruz tried this, when you try to hit him, when you go name calling for name calling and go down to his level he went. >> yeah. >> because the supporters know what they will get and i think a lot of people made up their minds. i saw a bumper sticker that said i don't know, 2016. what people need to do is what clinton needs to do is make it so that sticker says clinton kain 2016. >> all right. we'll take a pause here and do a little more on 9/11. when we come back on this september 11th commemoration, the paul wolfowitz grew out of
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democrat that returned republican and may feel forced to vote for hillary clinton in november. paul wolfowitz joins me. welcome, sir. >> nice to be here, thank you. >> i read in an interview you didn't -- you took issue with the architect of the iraq war. why do you not accept that title? >> because i was not in charge. i was not the commander in chief or secretary of state or secretary of defense and national security advisor and more importantly, i thought at the time there was a lot of things that should have been done a counter insurgency strategy, if we had that from the beginning, i think iraq would look like a very different place today and history would look very different instead of waiting until 2007, 2008 to defeat al qaeda and iraq, they could have withibeen defeated. >> you were an advisor to jeb bush. he struggled with the knowing what we know question now, what is your answer?
then we know now. we know about saddam and not part of al qaeda at the time but merged with al qaeda and the leader is there. we know that now. most importantly, we'll never know what the world would be like if saddam was still in power in iraq. imagine if you had an uprising in iraq like tk steroids. saddam would be more brutal than assad has been. >> that's a big assumption. how do we know that? saddam -- a lot -- >> it turned out -- >> a buster, for instance, there were no weapons of mass destruction. >> he was deceiving the world on that point. >> that's a big point to deceive the world on. >> not killing terrorists. he was killing his own people on a large scale.
i don't think it takes a lot of imagination to see how he would respond. we seen what he did. there is a tendency to say it all around the world. if the americans can put a man on the moon, why can't they do x and x is some complicated social problem that's been here for centuries. americans play into that assuming they can solve everything and we're responsible for everything. hillary clinton was actually right when she said a few months ago the united states didn't cr bashar al-assad created isis. >> there is another theory that says whatever you want to think of the strong man the fact of the matter as soon as saddam hussein was serving as iraq covering up a lot of bad guys, we lifted that rock and all of a sudden chaos ensued. >> he wasn't covering up a lot of bad guys. he was sheltering a lot of bad
bombing at large and zarkowi in iraq. the -- you know, when i said assad helped to create isis, he did it by driving the sunnis into desperation where isis is the only choice for them. these dictators brutalized their societies. they divide their societies after they collapse and eventually they collapse. there stabilize or take its place. >> go ahead. >> not every dictator is like that. i was ambassador in indonesia when the president was the so-called auto cat, or dictator. there was nothing reasonable left in iraq, nothing reasonable left in syria or libya. >> let me go back to this issue.
it was mostly s ly saudis that those planes into the towers, nobody from iraq. why was that the first action. we went into afghanistan and why didn't we hold saudi arabia accountable? you can make a case a lot mf saudis were funding and fueling these terrorists attacks with saudi money and things like that than anybody in iraq. >> there is and i hope people are right when they say the new crown prince. >> they are harboring terrorists? >> cultivating terrorists but the point is you don't deal with that by going to war. what concerned us about iraq and people want to forget but everybody believes and saddam was doing his best to convince us he had weapons of mass destruction. we knew he had previously had
intended to start the programs again once the sanctions were lifted. he was a real danger and that's why there was a focus on weapons of mass destruction and people say after the fact that bush lied and got us into a war, he wasn't lying. he was saying what everyone believed and, you know, i heard some discussions on your previous panel and i -- but i heard remarkable comment this morning by one of the orphans from 9/11 whose father the son said 9/11 brought us together. we need to come together as a country. >> some said -- >> lying when he was telling the truth. >> some could say iraq split us apart. the followup from the iraq war. look at the republican party today. >> i'm not disagreeing. >> more isolation today. >> i'm not disagreeing with that but if you accuse bush of lying when he was telling what everyone believed -- >> let me ask you this then, who
somebody got us into this and somebody convinced the united states congress that weapons of mass destruction were imminent in iraq, which is why so many democrats and republicans voted for this war. >> i think the original liar is saddam hussein who discovered he had more. later, it seems he was lying that he had more than he really did have because he wanted to supposedly deceive the iranians. the fact is every intelligence service in the world, not just the americans, the british, the he had weapons of mass destruction. >> are you -- do you -- are you now concerned that that especially, we were wrong and if you think about the public's lack of trust for government right now, that's one of the reasons. that's one of the things over the last 15 years when you talk about wall street's inability to be truthful and that under mined trusting government. do you believe that? >> look, i think it's done a lot of harm but i think in fact,
bush lied does a lot of harm. i believe if we had a better strategy in iraq from the beginning and if the surge-type strategy was implemented, iraq would look different. >> how many troops would be there? do you think because you've said in the past you thought this is more like a germany and korea situation thanks we probably would need troops for 40 or 50 years. >> the issue isn't how many troops you have but how many by the end of the surge very muni americans were getting killed. there is a great risk if north korea starts a war. the u.s. can be a stabilizing factor. it's important to understand and i agree the turn in public opinion on the united states is very unfortunate. i think it will bring us more trouble. we're in danger of learning all the wrong lessons from the past. the lesson that intervention is the only thing that's bad.
the consequence is non-intervention. i think we see in libya the consequence of partial invention. >> is this why you're learning clinton over trump? >> i'm learning against both of them. i find it incredibly disappointing when the country needs to come together and we have two major party candidates that enjoy so little confidence from the american people. >> paul wolfowitz from the bush administration, thank you, sir. appreciate you sharing your views. >> when we come back, a reminder how 9/11 cng for awhile and how it will still drive much of our politics today. >> first you saw the large flag that was from the top of the pentagon there that was awe
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this is an nbc special report. here is lester holt. >> good day from new york. some concerns raised this morning on the well being of hillary clinton. democratic candidate for 9/11 memorial service at ground zero earlier than expected. they s and that she is okay. let's go to nbc's hallie jackson for more. >> i want to read you the statement from hillary clinton's campaign coming to us moments ago, a spokesman saying secretary clinton attended a september 11th commemoration ceremony for an hour and 30 minutes this morning to pay her respects and greet some of the families of the fallen. during the ceremony, shi felt
now feeling much better. for about 90 minutes this morning, it was unclear what had happened to secretary clinton, where she had gone. the small band of reporters traveling with her had been kept at the 9/11 ceremony. after clinton left around 9:30, walked out, we're told, and ultimately apparently has gone to her daughter chelsea clinton's house in manhattan. >> hallie, thank you. we know it has been unseasonably hot and humid here in the new york area for the last sever days. and our folks at ground zero say certainly those are the conditions this morning when secretary clinton was taken away. want to go to andrea mitchell on the phone now. andrea, the health of secretary clinton certainly has become an issue in this campaign. what we have just reported here has driven a lot of speculation today on social media. what can you tell us? >> her health has been an issue and i can tell you that traveling with her nonstop, it
it is all rumor and speculation driven, merely by her opponent, by the trump campaign. they and rudy giuliani in particular have raised all sorts of questions -- she has been healthy. she has been -- her travel schedule has been -- >> cell phone signal is breaking up, andrea, unfortunately. your point is taken. we're looking at the still photos, by the way. we believe this is the tim taken away. she seemed fine. she was interacting with the other dignitaries and politicians who would gather there for the reading of the names, as the country marks the 15th anniversary of the attacks of 9/11. but, again, to reiterate what hallie jackson said, the clinton campaign reporting a short time ago that she was overheated. and left after about 90 minutes at ground zero.
apartment in manhattan, about four or five miles away and as you see in that statement, written statement we received, they say she is feeling much better. that is what we know. andrea, are you back with us? >> back with you. can just report that she has had no episodes of this kind, not since 2012, when she caught the flu, she had a stomach flu, she was seriously dehydrated, did faint, hit her head and had a concussion. that was the last medical was wildly reported. at the time, there was a lot of speculation, but the doctors reported very complete doctor's reports did indicate that she has had some issues and she takes blood -- sorry, she takes medications that include medications to thin the blood because of previous episodes with thrombosis, but nothing
this campaign other than the criticism from her opponents. >> and we had no indication she was taken to a hospital. in fact, there are strong indications even before the statement that she did go to her daughter's apartment. we have a picture of a van here that appears to be the same one she was traveling in to ground zero this morning and there it is in front of daughter chelsea's apartment in the flat iron district of new york. so that apparently is where she is. we have no indication that she from the hospital or anyone there at the scene. but simply went to her daughter's apartment. we'll continue to follow this story. we'll have more when we see you tonight on "nbc nightly news." for now, i'm lester holt in new york. good day. s. i am lester holt in new york.
get a clean report if it is available. this is not something that is going to be dealt with at her daughter's apartment, in the context of where we are. >> we're in the era of information, low trust, i don't know, you know, we saw with birtherism, what can convince one when a conspiracy theory starts to take hold. >> here are the facts. donald trump and hillary clinton, whichever one is elected, wile will be their oldest newly elected president and one will be six months younger than ronald reagan was, but point is, both of them are in their late 60s, he's 70. we have more medical information about her, we have less about donald trump and the public demands more from both. >> in an age of cynicism there is a tendency to think they're holding something. sometimes the right impulse is to push against that and think maybe nothing is happening.
>> the issue will go away. but the age is a factor in the race. we're also in an age where we're defining old age. these two people are in a remarkable health. >> they're both -- absolutely. >> we travel around the country, not at the pace they do. i get tired. younger than them, but they travel at an amazing pace. you do have to start thinking about that. unless we really see something much worse than i don't think far. >> i completely agree. this is her letter, from her doctor, july 28th, 2015, and i just want to read one graphic here, it is important to clarify what the state of her health was from her doctor what they released. her most recent physical examination revealed a healthy appearing female, vital signs showed blood pressure 100 over 65, heart rate, 72, respiratory rate, 18, temperature the 98.7, the rest of the physical examination was normal. takes everyday prescription
anybody that age might be taking. >> i think that's all true. also a year ago that that came out. and, remember, she did have that bad fall and she was forced to wear glasses for correcting some vision issues. but more and more conscious in this country because of what is going on with football, a lot of the after effects of concussions doesn't show up right away. there is nothing wrong with her going to a doctor, and saying, take a look at me. and the public deserves to know that. i deserve to know that. and it will shut down, one that is going to -- >> as emphatic as you are, let's remind people, we know less about donald trump's health. >> yes. >> much less about his health. >> i guess i'm just saying in a way it doesn't matter. the distrust level is so high that there is always going to be people who are going to say, that's not enough. i need more. that's not enough. i need more. >> it is a little bit of a test for the trump campaign. i would hope he would say, i look forward to debating her, i'm not sure that will be the trump campaign reaction.
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we're back. an election with a lot of ups and downs, a lot of surprise moments. this is yet another surprise, i'm joined by hallie jackson, just on the special report. you spend most of your time
covering the trump campaign. trump -- has talked about the health and energy all the time, trying to make this an issue. now, the question is going to be how does he handle this moment? >> how does he respond. i think you would often see a presidential candidate come out and say of a rival nominee,
especially on a day like today and move on after a brief pause. we haven't heard yet from donald trump, we have reached out to the campaign. i imagine his response will come on twitter, we know he was visiting some areas of the firehouse in lower manhattan today, doesn't seem like that would be the right venue. >> i wondered if maybe this is the incident that crystallizes it for voters and for both campaigns to realize they -- we don't have a lot of information on these folks. more from clinton than trump, and it is not just on health. taxes. there is no actual conflict of interest in this country. the only thing we have are his tax returns to find out if he's president of the united states, if he's going to have a conflict of interest that would prevent him from doing certain -- >> on the tax stuff, people clearly decide, supporters have decided, he's corrupt, but at least he's a change agent. that's the shamelessness of his admission he buys -- covers from him on that. on the health stuff, i don't see
there is no actual movement to anywhere. >> and both of them have running mates who are younger, healthy and certainly very substantial records, you can't look at them and say they're not -- they don't have the resume to make them qualified. >> that's true. i have to say, it is extremely early to be looking through the running mates now. you know what i mean by that -- >> if you're concerned about health, it does focus you on the running mate you're thinking about a ticket? >> mike pence is doing explaining for donald trump, on the taxes or birtherism, mike pence is the one who comes out and says, well, actually, there is each to play a different role here. >> look at what mike pence did 72 hours ago, released his tax return, way more than his running mate, which is another question, chuck, to your point of we still don't know. he says he won't release them until the audit is complete. his campaign reiterated that to us this past week.
him from doing so even under audit. >> does hillary clinton get held to a different standard than donald trump? >> i'm not sure she's held to a higher standard. i think it depends who is holding her to a higher standard. they're frustrated they're having no impact on where he is. i think hillary clinton having been around as long as she's been around has got this long trail behind her and the republicans are going through and pickingha piece by piece and they have got surrogates like rudy giuliani who go on television and say, well, i don't have any real information about her, but there is a lot of question about what she's doing. and will not give up on all of that. look, we have been through a lot of presidential campaigns. these kinds of episodes occur in almost every one of them. one turned out to be true. the senator from -- >> we were talking about bill
turned out to be nothing, but happened close to the caucuses. >> we have in the back of our minds, wilson, a president who suffered an illness in the white house and was semiincapacitated. it is a real issue but we're not close to thinking about that. >> that's what all of us are concerned about is the rumor mongering. >> one thing i do believe, i think both candidates ought to be required to go to neutral physicians in a really big clinic and get a complete workup that we can see. >> that i would like, send them t we'll be back next week. because if it's sunday, it's
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